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Old 01-28-2017, 10:35 AM
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Like many of you, I'd like to be as safe as I can be.
So I'm thinking as I scroll through ads, which ones are least likely to be LE.

Like any profiling, this experiment has the risk of generalizing, but the question is an "honestt" one... want to be safe. I'd like to propose a few axioms, and see what that gets me for "rules" derived from those, and then I'd like folks to propose new rules or axioms, or critique mine.

Axioms:
1) Tolerance varies by area
2) LE wants to be seen as effective, so targets least tolerated practices first.
3) LE wants to be efficient with their time, so if more than one crime is captured in a sting,it increases their chance of proving on of them...
4) Providers can be expected to value their own safety and privacy, so take some measures to protect it.
5) LE agents will not tend to provide service for extended periods then start enforcing, as doing so is a) hard on LE personnel, if using staff, and b) hard to outsource, as established providers ruin reputation that costs them more that the $$ LE could pay, and with the legalization of providing, there's not much leverage to force a non-compensated flip to enforcement.

So recognizing, I'm not LE... just a closet math major, let's see what we get... so from each of the above (numbered) I'm guessing I should avoid the following posts.

From #1) Be aware of news, enforcement, and local LE postings of priorities, and avoid those areas with a history of stronger enforcement, and those practices or focus areas of LE priorities (vary by jurisdiction)

From 2,3: Avoid posts with statements like "fresh off the boat from <name of country with trafficking reputation>
From 2,3: Avoid the posts with the youngest providers (increase odds of underage)
From 4: Avoid posts that are on the high-end of explicit (for the forum), give addresses or rates
From 5: Tend to use providers with multiple reviews, or reviews from johns with a good reputation
From 5: Tend toward repeat business

That all said, I'm sure LE would catch folks even with the most middle of the road post too, but they'd just be catching a) a random sampling, which makes for less valuable headlines for the head of prosecution. Strong headlines, tend to increase the social license for enforcement, and arresting "boring" johns is at best neutral or possibly negative.

What do you all think, any I missed, any I got wrong?

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Old 01-29-2017, 12:44 PM
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I feel it is simply common sense that keeps us and the ladies we love to visit safe. I emphasize that lyla is your friend. I don't read nor book through any BP/CL ads unless referenced here on lyla and, I think, almost exclusively the advertisers have been lyla members, are recommended by reputable lyla members and are then savvy enough to join lyla.
Building your reputation here involves participating and making thoughtful posts. Posting a reco for a respected provider and having them offer a public thanks contributes to your credibility. It's not the number of posts but the quality/helpfulness of them that works.
"So recognizing, I'm not LE..." OK, I believe that but your first and only post in 6 months on the board sure doesn't guarantee it! lol
LE could probably easily infiltrate the lyla community but, as you point out, it isn't worth their time. No doubt some LE (in their private lives) are happy, satisfied members here!
I avoid BP/CL primarily to avoid poor service, lot LE (though I'm not interested in crossing paths with LE either)
One other caution: - and this was a very sad and unfortunate situation for a great man - Don't pull a Wil***t K**n.
Thanks for starting this thread - I'm sure new members will find it encouraging and helpful.
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Old 01-29-2017, 06:21 PM
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Thanks WR,

So basically a vote for leaning on reputation, with Lyla, and presumably other boards as helping there like TER, CERB, etc.

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Thanks WR,

So basically a vote for leaning on reputation, with Lyla, and presumably other boards as helping there like TER, CERB, etc.

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If your goal is to avoid an LE sting, just don't seek the services of street workers. keeps you 99% safer. the other 1% if (and so far have only heard of 2 cities across canada that have ever done this, and that is over a total of 10years)is t you see an ad for someone 19 or 18, then you contact them for more info and they tell you they are 16 or anything other than 18 plus, then tell them no thanks, and then contact LE about the ad. the only stings i've seen them do with online ads is for underagers, and i'd say that 99% of those who followed thru to make an appt think the legal working age is same as age of consent, 16.

the fact is, sps are far more likely to get fake booked by LE for an LE visit to shake them down to prove they aren't trafficking victims, while preventing them from making the money they need to not be a victim, for hours. then they pat themselves on the back for having done their jobs in looking for but not finding victims of exploitation. clients? never in their line of sight, far too difficult to find unless you like street workers.

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Thanks Fortunate one. I really appreciate the thoughtful reply. Makes sense about street, that seems riskier on a number of levels for all involved. Also appreciate the detail on age. Personally, i normally book 30+ for a few reasons, so reassuring. Thanks again!

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This appears to give a pretty good idea about how the police operate. The lesson here is stay away from anyone who might possibly be underage, and stay away from anyone who may be trafficked. That's just plain decency:

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives...anadian-girls/

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This appears to give a pretty good idea about how the police operate. The lesson here is stay away from anyone who might possibly be underage, and stay away from anyone who may be trafficked. That's just plain decency:

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives...anadian-girls/
I'm sorry to pipe up without introducing myself anywhere else in forums but I read the linked article and in it (under the heading 'IV') it says:

He admits to being “inundated” with reports of actual victims, but he says they have to balance doing those interventions with taking proactive investigative measures like they’re doing on this day.
As one of the other officers says, “they lead us in the same direction.”


I may be reading this wrong but i understand this to mean that they know (are inundated with reports) of actual 'victims' but instead decide that checking out those girls is not very important, as they instead see more value in investigating measures.


Like ... Huh?


That to me is a bit sketch and also negates any numbers they have accumulated on victims and such, as they don't even go to find out what is going on... but they know these are 'actual' victims?


Something smells rotten in the state of Denmark

...and this too:

He says it’s a successful operation “if 26 out of 28" potential clients back out. "And if two show up and they're arrested, that's what happens. But the goal isn't to come here and try to arrest as many people as possible. This isn't a virtue test.”

Ok so they put up fake ad. 28 guys contact based on ad. They inform the guy the girl they are inquiring about is 17. Then those guys either say 'no way' or just end communication. But the ad did not advertise a girl of 17 because back page and CL would not allow it to be posted. So the ad gives the impression of a girl of legal age.

My point is they are trying to claim that 26 inquirers backed out, which would make their operation 'successful'. But they didn't officially back out because they were not even 'IN' from they beginning !! Some guys are not saying 'oh 17? Im not pursuing that because its against the law'...They are saying '17? omg NEVER would I be interested in a 17 yr old.'

Am I making any sense? Is the whole scheme a farce or is just the way the 'reporter' documented it?

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I don't feel any sympathy for anyone who knowingly decides to meet-up with an <19 year-old provider, even if this comes about through a small bit of deception on the part of the police.

If that's your thing, you have no one to blame but yourself.

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I'm sorry to pipe up without introducing myself anywhere else in forums but I read the linked article and in it (under the heading 'IV') it says:

He admits to being “inundated” with reports of actual victims, but he says they have to balance doing those interventions with taking proactive investigative measures like they’re doing on this day.
As one of the other officers says, “they lead us in the same direction.”


I may be reading this wrong but i understand this to mean that they know (are inundated with reports) of actual 'victims' but instead decide that checking out those girls is not very important, as they instead see more value in investigating measures.
I think this means that the police try to target both ends of the equation - both the supply and demand regarding vulnerable providers. I expect this is because many of the potentially exploited providers are not cooperative (such as the one in the article) and the police need to show something for their efforts.
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