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Old 03-13-2016, 04:26 PM
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Hi everyone.
Just wanted to start a thread on Diabetes type 2.
Many people are now getting Diabetes type 2.
And doctors seem to prescribe drugs to help you lower it without much consultation with you.
They look at your A1C levels and if it is too high, they just write you a script for some expensive drugs.

I was first diagnosed over 14 years ago.
Started with metformin which is the standard low cost start to drug.
But after a few years, it did not work as well.
Then came Junivia another new drug which works and has side effects.
Then because my cholesterol was high they gave me lipitor, which after taking for many years found out that it was the cause of my other problems.
It was then discovered that it could cause diabetes. Once I stopped that I felt much better. But then the Junivia didn't work as well and they put me on Junumet which is a combination of junivia and metaformin. This worked a couple of years, but then my A1C levels went up. Then they put me on Victoza which is a very expensive injectable drug. This worked for a year, but was very expensive. I was taking this with Janumet. Last week I went to the Dr. again and found that my A1C has gone up again. He said with age it takes more drugs to keep my A1C down. He wanted me to add the drug Invokana to the current mix, This other drug is fairly new and makes you pee a lot as it keeps the sugar from through the kidneys. All these drugs may cause pancreatic and thyroid cancer along with other side effect.
I am not sure I want to take all 3 of them at the same time. I am going to try the Inovokana and janumet first, to see there are any side effects.
Hope it works. Reading about some of the side effects are scary, plus taking all 3 drugs at the same time is really expensive.

Just wanted to hear your story and how you dealt with your diabetes type 2 problems. What worked and didn't work for you.
Diet and Exercise recommendations.

Hoping to here your thoughts about this.

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Old 03-13-2016, 07:31 PM
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Lipitor is way over prescribed. It has lots of negative side effects. It makes you so drowsy some of my friends call it "Sleepitor".

Three drugs may seem like a lot. One of my friends was on ten (!) different drugs. He finally changed doctors and got rid of a few of the drugs.

Diabetes sucks and good luck dealing with it. Be extremely careful with your diet! I feel most diabetes is caused by excess sugar in our diets. Constant overloading with sugar causes excess insulin, and constant insulin causes insulin resistance. We need to read labels on foods and avoid anything with starch, corn starch, HFCS, or sugar as the first ingredient.

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Old 03-14-2016, 04:54 AM
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I don't have diabetes. So, can't really comment on the meds you are referring to.

However, I got sick and I was prescribed medication. Then, it was increased "to get better results". I was then at the maximum dosage, but still not getting the results the medical personal were looking for. They then added another one to see if the combination worked better. I was then prescribed another one as I was having side effects - supposedly this new one would help with the side effects.

Before I knew it, I was on 10 different medications. Felt like crap, couldn't function, I was then really sick.

On one of my check ups, the nurse commented on my weight gain. In six months - I had gained 40 lbs. I hated it. She commented that one of the meds I was on was well known for weight gain.

So, I started researching the meds I was on. I had read the pamphlets I was given from the pharmacy. However, on further research, I found that some of the side effects were worse then the illness I have.

I slowly went off all the meds. I am now med free, and feel much better then when I was on the meds. I am still sick - I have a brain injury that will only be fixed by surgery. They are waiting until it has to be operated on. So, its a wait and see. So, for me, even though I am not like before I got sick, I am a hell of a lot better then when I was on all the meds I was on. I function, take care of myself, and learn what works and what does not.

Now, I'm not suggesting that you go off med for diabetes. However, I would certainly look at holistic health. Is there something you can do to control your sugars without medications? I still remember doing some reading on that, and the alternatives looked promising.

Of course, my doctors all freaked when I told them I was off all meds. They told me that it was dangerous, but because I had gone off slowly, I was ok. Of course they wanted me back on the meds, but I'd rather live my life free of side effects, and deal with my illness without the complications of the meds. Doctors will not support alternative healing when it comes to something like diabetes. However, I'd look into the options with a naturopath or holistic health care provider. Just make sure you get a good one who truly understands and is educated in diabetes.

Good luck!

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Old 03-14-2016, 04:10 PM
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Reading about some of the side effects are scary, plus taking all 3 drugs at the same time is really expensive.

Diet and Exercise recommendations.

Hoping to here your thoughts about this.
I was diagnosed with early onset Diabetes 5 years ago, My Dr. wanted to put me on some of the newer drugs like you mentioned, Victozza being one of the scarier ones. I did my research and wasn't comfortable taking it, plus I thought an injection was a bit extreme for the glucose numbers I had. She recommended Vitcozza as well because one of the side effects is that it suppresses your appetite (Yes i'm overweight).

If you're not comfortable with the drug, don't take it, there is always an alternative. I just told my Dr. I was getting bad side effects and she suggested something else.

Her recommending the Victozza was kind of a wake up call because I shouldn't have to inject a drug into my stomach to suppress my appetite to lose weight, kind of brought me to a low point when I thought about it.

Some people's bodies are prone to diabetes so there is no way to get rid of it and you will always be on pills. Luckily that's not the case with me.

Diet and exercise recommendations? Just do it! There is no secret, find an exercise that works for you and do it and just watch what you eat. It's pretty simple, more Calories out than in. It's not easy and will take a while but don't get discouraged and keep at it. Hardest part of going to the gym is actually getting your ass there, right? lol!

I found a form of exercise that I actually enjoy (hate treadmills or stationary bikes) and have been doing it consistently 3 times a week since October, I saw my doctor and my numbers were all great (I was 40lbs lighter this visit) she said we'll see where i'm at in 5 months and if i continue this path she will take me off some of the pills :)

Find something that works for you, there is always time to workout in some shape or form, even if its for 30 minutes and do it consistently 3-4 times a week. Most importantly watch what you eat, it's 80% of the battle

Good Luck :)

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I was diagnosed with diabetes before Christmas so am on a fast learning curve. I'm probably not going to be a very good patient.

I have totally changed my diet although it was never particularly bad in the first place. I have never been a sweet eater so no chocolates at Christmas, no desserts, no cookies or chocolate bars so sweets are not an issue at all. Unfortunately, diabetes is not that simple.

Being a typical Maritimer, meat and potatoes were my staple food, so limiting potato, rice and pasta - the main carbs has simply left me starving. To my frustration with my pretty careful diet my blood sugars have simply continued to rise.

I am rather frustrated with the contradictory information online, and even with reputable sources such as the Canadian Dietetic Association. Their, "sample," diets just assume that every diabetic is overweight and therefore its low cal this and low cal that. Weight is not an issue for me.

I have started on a minimal dose of metformin and again blood sugars continue to rise. We shall see what happens in the next few months. My sister is also diabetic and her doctor told her that blood sugar levels are only 30% regulated by diet. I am also VERY active, not in the sense of working out in a gym but in my daily activity and I am reasonably physically fit.

Thanks for starting this thread and I shall follow it.

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It's too bad that we find sugar in every thing that we buy with a few exceptions. I have stop drinking soft drinks(pepsi, coke etc...) and never lost a pound, I don't smoke and I try to watch what I eat, I'll be honest I would not do well on a diet.
Diabetes is in my family and I get checked regularly but my main concern is high blood pressure.

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It's too bad that we find sugar in every thing that we buy with a few exceptions. I have stop drinking soft drinks(pepsi, coke etc...) and never lost a pound, I don't smoke and I try to watch what I eat, I'll be honest I would not do well on a diet.
Diabetes is in my family and I get checked regularly but my main concern is high blood pressure.
You don't need to go on a diet Notch, you just have to be careful about what you eat. Having a steak or a big bowl of pasta once in a while is great! or just eat less of it. I should have been down 20 more pounds by now, but I would rather lose weight slowly and be happy, then be miserable being strict on what I ate.

Even if you don't lose weight you will be healthier, add something as simple as a 30 minute walk a day and you are even better.

I'm much healthier now, get less tired, have more stamina now ;) then I did when I was much lighter and unhealthier in my younger days.

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She recommended Vitcozza as well because one of the side effects is that it suppresses your appetite (Yes i'm overweight)
You are eating the wrong stuff, if you eat better you will not need a suppressant.
Constantly prescribing drugs for those reasons is not helping.

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limiting potato, rice and pasta - the main carbs has simply left me starving....

I am rather frustrated with the contradictory information online, and even with reputable sources such as the Canadian Dietetic Association. Their, "sample," diets just assume that every diabetic is overweight and therefore its low cal this and low cal that. Weight is not an issue for me.
Cutting carbs will be like quitting meth, it is very hard. Try different carbs, potatoes are garbage, try stuffing yourself with salads.
Try adding fats to your diet as well, fats will make you feel fuller.
See the IIFYM website. They are a much better source than the CDA.
The low calorie argument is a red herring. The problem is with the glycemic index of the foods you eat. A high glycemic index food is quickly digested and produces a sudden spike in blood sugar. This causes a large amout of insulin to be released, and high insulin levels are the cause of insulin resistance and leads to diabetes. You also go through a cycle of "sugar highs" followed by an insulin induced crash where you feel exhausted.
Low glycemic index foods are digested more slowly, there is less insulin in the blood, and less stress on the system.
500 calories of high glycemic index foods: bad.
500 calories of low glycemic index foods: not bad.

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I was hoping to hear about peoples experiences with Victoza or Invokana?
Did it work for you?
Did you suffer many side effects?

Let me know. I read a lot of good outcomes, but then the bad outcomes worry me.
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I was hoping to hear about peoples experiences with Victoza or Invokana?
Did it work for you?
Did you suffer many side effects?

Let me know. I read a lot of good outcomes, but then the bad outcomes worry me.
I read too many things I didn't like regarding Victozza, that I wasn't comfortable taking it. I've been taking Invokana for a year without any issues, everyone is different though and will react differently.

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