bbbj or cbj ? pros and cons

I have not done the bbbj with an sp ? Some input from sp's and hobbyists would be great.

Pro: it feels good

Con: You are risking it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexually_transmitted_disease#Transmission_probabilities

Pretty straight forward answer thank you...great link also..... there just seems to be a lot of sp's offering bbbj... and

a lot hobbyists who are saying they got a BBBJ.

Funny how people always talk about BBBJ this way, yet never discuss DATY with the same level of energy and interest. A little self serving perhaps?

More great comments.....thanks everyone!

I could be wrong, but I think many BBBJ performers do so on a YMMV basis. I mean other than those who actually advertise it as part of their menu.

I would imagine it depends a lot on hygiene.

Additional Comments:

Speaking of BBBJ and DATY, some symptoms of throat gonorrhea can appear similar to strep throat (sore throat, white infections on tonsils, etc). Also, test for strep throat and throat gonnorhea is different, so if you go see a doctor about it and have a reason to believe it's not strep throat, tell your doctor, so he/she can perform the appropriate test.

First of all, why is this in the massage forum?

BBBJ vs. CBJ has been debated/discussed forever on these boards. There's absolutely nothing new to say on the subject.

Way more SPs provide BBBJ, at least on a YMMV basis than will ever admit to it in public. I have received BBBJ from many SPs who swear up and down on the boards that they don't do it. I'm not boasting; I'm certainly not the only pooner who can make that claim.

Every survey I've seen on the boards shows that 85 to 90 percent of pooners will always accept BBBJ from SPs and generally avoid SPs known not to provide it. Very few pooners actually request CBJ.

A few years ago, I had a discussion with a Toronto SP who told me that, in her first year, she saw about 200 clients. Of these, only one requested a CBJ, and she decided to provide only CBJ to two others, one because of suspicious lesions on his cock, and the other because he told her he had only been seeing street girls prior to seeing her.

I don't understand why this is still an issue for some people in Winnipeg. It was this way in Toronto 15 years ago. SPs who provided BBBJ didn't want it mentioned in reviews because they didn't want BBBJ to be an expectation, even though they provided it to almost everyone. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Reviews of Toronto SPs routinely mention BBBJ if it was provided.

In the rest of the world, BBBJ is standard, whether in German FKK clubs and brothels, London escort services or with the girls who work bars in China. I've experienced all three, and not once did I have to request BBBJ; it was always provided. Street girls might be an exception, but there's no way I'd ever see a street girl anywhere.

It amazes me, at no time is the issue of bbbj (or for that matter bbfs) ever come up in a discussion on dating (I'm talking conventional dating here) In conventional dating the women and men may be seeing multiple partners but somehow because dating is deemed a "normal" social/sexual activity with no stigma, no discussion, or at least not as much as on CERB, about bbbj takes place. And btw, I have observed at work more than a few female co-workers who have gotten "accidently" pregnant from a one night stand, so obviously they didn't practice safe sex

Likewise, in marriage, unless the marriage is truly monogamous, is there a discussion on safe sex. No judgements here, but there are many gentlemen here who are married who also have affairs, and there are ladies who also may have affairs...are there discussions about safe sex in marriage?

But in this community, in this lifestyle, the subject of bbbj seems to be a subject hashed and rehashed. And it seems to feed into the stereotype of this lifestyle being a high risk activity. Yes there is a risk of STD/STI's with bbbj, but IMHO it's no greater a risk in this lifestyle than in marriage or conventional dating. If someone wants absolutely safe sex, then the only safe sex is masturbation. The minute two (or more) people get together intimately, there is a risk. Both the lady and gentleman should do what they are both comfortable doing

A early morning rambling

RG

WOW, in my 30+ years of being employed I have never heard of 1, let alone a few women, who have told anyone that they got pregnant from a one night stand.

I said observed, not told. And a pregnant woman is quite noticeable.

And where I work people seem to know other people's relationship status.

Beyond that nuff said

RG

I can't say I've ever had a CBJ.

To me it's just not worth it. Take the risk. Enjoy a Bbbj. :)

""But in this community, in this lifestyle, the subject of bbbj seems to be a subject hashed and rehashed. And it seems to feed into the stereotype of this lifestyle being a high risk activity. Yes there is a risk of STD/STI's with bbbj, but IMHO it's no greater a risk in this lifestyle than in marriage or conventional dating. If someone wants absolutely safe sex, then the only safe sex is masturbation. The minute two (or more) people get together intimately, there is a risk. Both the lady and gentleman should do what they are both comfortable doing

A early morning rambling

RG""

Nicely said....just take care..

I think we rehash it hoping that it will somehow make it safer or someone will come up with some kind of magic pill that will make it safe, there isn't a lot of things in life where we aren't at risk specially when fun or a thrill is involved so in my opinion you just have to weigh the risks of each situation on a individual basis and hope for the best, life is short so jam as many adventures and fun times into each and every day.

I have had a mix of providers that were ok with bbbj and some that only did cbj.

Personally I love a bbbj but a cbj isn't too bad.

Getting into this, I had no expectation for bbbj, I didn't even know it was offered at all. When it was offered, I accepted.

CBJ is alright, but between that and other stuff to do in the bedroom, I'd choose the other stuff. Now, if you are creative, a pro with cbj is that it kinda forces people to be inventive in the most delightful ways. I've had a nuru massage, sans any sort of bj, that was quite amazing.

Health issues and risk aside, I know some people here are a bit annoyed with this question. But I'm glad you took the time to ask. Its something that people frequently think of, and while some find it annoyingly redundant, it's nice when people can just help one another, especially someone new into this.

It amazes me, at no time is the issue of bbbj (or for that matter bbfs) ever come up in a discussion on dating (I'm talking conventional dating here) In conventional dating the women and men may be seeing multiple partners but somehow because dating is deemed a "normal" social/sexual activity with no stigma, no discussion, or at least not as much as on CERB, about bbbj takes place. And btw, I have observed at work more than a few female co-workers who have gotten "accidently" pregnant from a one night stand, so obviously they didn't practice safe sex

Likewise, in marriage, unless the marriage is truly monogamous, is there a discussion on safe sex. No judgements here, but there are many gentlemen here who are married who also have affairs, and there are ladies who also may have affairs...are there discussions about safe sex in marriage?

But in this community, in this lifestyle, the subject of bbbj seems to be a subject hashed and rehashed. And it seems to feed into the stereotype of this lifestyle being a high risk activity. Yes there is a risk of STD/STI's with bbbj, but IMHO it's no greater a risk in this lifestyle than in marriage or conventional dating. If someone wants absolutely safe sex, then the only safe sex is masturbation. The minute two (or more) people get together intimately, there is a risk. Both the lady and gentleman should do what they are both comfortable doing

A early morning rambling

RG

I want to thank you for this because this has always been my mindset. Anyone who is simply dating another should never be under the impression that you are the only one. I have never been one to simply date a single female as time between dates can sometimes be a week or two if not longer and that does not work for me. I have needs just the same way as other guys have needs and females have needs, so I am fully aware, at least always assume that there is at least one other guy/girl.

While there are risks involved in a BBBJ from an SP, there are risks involved in randomly hooking up with someone at the bar, hooking up with someone on CL or just anonymously hooking up in general. I can tell you with every girl or woman I have ever engaged intimately outside of a provider they never once asked for me to put a condom on during oral. I have never had an STD/STI and while I definitely do my best to avoid them, yes I do sleep with a few partners without a condom on.

I understand the reasoning behind a CBJ, however, I will tell you I would never as a hobbyist see someone who only provided CBJ as they simply would not be able to even get me close to being hard. If there was hygiene concerns, which I have never heard in my entire life, I would simply take a raincheck until they felt comfortable.

I would think by now most adults know of the risks and percentages associated with them, so I'll say something different. If I choose not to do DATY on a specific day, then I won't accept a bbbj (that may be the case from time to time, not a guilt thing, just a change-up of sorts), and while that might take a little away from the excitement and foreplay, last time I checked, there were such things as personalities, turn-ons, favourite positions of SPs (not just our fantasies), and much more! Have fun everyone! Whether bbbj or not, have fun and try to be safe.