MNO4 789 Report post Posted April 15, 2010 I ma new to this - would not want to be caught is there a real risk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pink Kitty Escorts 6195 Report post Posted April 15, 2010 Are you refering to Incall/ Outcall/ or SW? I can say that other than SW , the risk is extremely low for Incall if you are seeing a reputable SP or agency that deals with isnt affiliated with a gang, Non Drug users and ladies that are of age. (Like our agency).. I can say first hand that LE is very tolerant as long as there arent domestic disturbances and common sense is used. The attitude in Ottawa is changing drastically towards this industry. Outcall is pretty much legal again as long as the provider coming is of age and doesnt have a drug/gang affiliation and is being watched by LE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capital Hunter 18263 Report post Posted April 15, 2010 What type of service providers? - Masseurs?, Escorts?, SWs?, Dancers? MPs: There has been a few arrests at incall Massage Parlours if FS was involved, as they are illegal. Escorts: Incalls (you visiting the lady) are illegal (reputable agency or not) but to the best of my knowledge I am not aware of any arrests, so far. Outcalls (the lady visiting you) are totally legal. SWs: Frequent swept by Ottawa police and large number of arrests of those seeing SWs (hopefully none on this board) all over the city. SCs: FS strip bars are illegal too (none in Ottawa to my knowledge but on Quebec Ontario border towns) so avoid those as well but otherwise legal unless extras are involved (FS but also other sex acts). Private dancers are legal as long as they are outcalls. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pink Kitty Escorts 6195 Report post Posted April 16, 2010 Just to clarify the gentleman was asking is there any real risk? I can say with a strong certaintly that Incalls while illegal are tolerated by LE as long as there are no drugs or underage involved and it is kept discreet. Which is why I said reputable agencies and SP are low to negligable risk. As they keeps things on the downlow and have a relationship with the hotels and LE that are on good terms. In fact, any arrests that I have ever heard about have happened on Outcalls. In many cases it was due to the agency being involved in gangs and were followed to the clients place. While the client wasnt charged, he was questioned and for sure somewhere it was logged. Another thing that I have heard about in the past is shady escorts have went on outcalls and cased the place for their pimp/boyfriend if it had expensive valuables and then returned later when the client was gone to work.. Probably probing the client for personal info that he inadvertanly gave out while chit chatting with the escort. I have also heard of clients getting jewelry stolen. So there are risks outside of the legal ends of it. SW is basically like russian roulette you are just looking to get caught.. If you dont have the buget to see an escort save your money and just buy alot of porn.. LOL IMHO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kze1 110 Report post Posted April 18, 2010 I was under the impression that ?soliciting in a public place? was the only ?illegal? thing in Canada?or that?s what I understood going through the other posts along this line here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andee 220524 Report post Posted April 18, 2010 I was under the impression that ?soliciting in a public place? was the only ?illegal? thing in Canada?or that?s what I understood going through the other posts along this line here? Many threads related to this - running a common bawdy house, procuring, living off the avails, etc.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mod 135639 Report post Posted April 18, 2010 Angela is correct many threads exist on this... and public solicitation is not the only illegal thing. A common bawdy house (Brothel/stripclub offering services/massage spa doing extra's/hair salon doing extra's/etc...) are all very much illegal. Pimping (Living off the avails) is also very much illegal (and more) if you want to educate yourself look up our criminal code (Section 210 -213) - you do not need to be a lawyer to make heads or tails of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reddog01 30280 Report post Posted April 23, 2010 pkjason mentioned that arrests happened in Ottawa during outcall. When was the last time this happened? Also how can you really tell the SP is not connected to "gangs" and or criminal activity? Are there any indicators to look for? I imagine the worst nightmare is to get your door kicked in during a session with a SP at your place or a hotel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoyfulC 132299 Report post Posted April 23, 2010 pkjason mentioned that arrests happened in Ottawa during outcall. When was the last time this happened? Also how can you really tell the SP is not connected to "gangs" and or criminal activity? Are there any indicators to look for? I imagine the worst nightmare is to get your door kicked in during a session with a SP at your place or a hotel. I sincerely doubt the police would kick in the door. Worst case scenario, they might knock or phone the room. As for gangs and criminal activity, stick to finding contacts through respectable sites (such as this one and Escorts-Canada.com). The criminal elements tend to be... well... criminals and so they're always on the run, changing their names, their numbers. The very definition of "fly by night" operators. You'll often find them advertising in places where they can do so free and reasonably anonymously. And finally, they will usually make an extra effort to lure the gullible with stuff too good to be true -- fake pics, incredibly low prices, offerings that most SPs or agencies wouldn't make. It's just common sense. I feel bad for the guys who get busted and scammed, but there are so many tools these days to avoid it, like this site, that all you can do is shake your head in wonder. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pink Kitty Escorts 6195 Report post Posted April 25, 2010 I thing that is very good advice. Realistically my experience has been that Police as a general rule are not out to bust escorts and agencies that are playing by the "rules". By that I mean, keeping things discreet, no public disturbances, no drugs, no underage involvement. The only time that they really ever get involved is if they have a complaint that forces their hand.. Otherwise its really small potatoes and is more paperwork for them to do with little return on the effort. As it stands now, the police have lately been more sympathetic to the needs of safety of the escorts and have somewhat bridged a gap that has existed in the communication dept. While the police cant outwardly condone prostitution, I think there is a much greater level of tolerance that is being shown and spreading among the ranks. This can only benefit everyone's best interest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickoshadows 937 Report post Posted April 25, 2010 While the police cant outwardly condone prostitution, I think there is a much greater level of tolerance that is being shown and spreading among the ranks. This can only benefit everyone's best interest. Ah, the capitol of Canada leading from the rear, or at least the middle of the pack. I thought Alberta housed all the rednecks and bible thumpers, but eastern Ontario has there share. I'm glad the authorities are reaching out to a sector of society which hasn't been getting a fair shake, but unfortunately, until someone in politics grows some balls and corrects the criminal code with respect to prostitution related offences, this new attitude will only last until some city/provincial/federal politician wants to make some points with the bigoted religous right wing constituency and it will be back to stings and busts as usual. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoyfulC 132299 Report post Posted April 25, 2010 Ah, the capitol of Canada leading from the rear, or at least the middle of the pack. I thought Alberta housed all the rednecks and bible thumpers, but eastern Ontario has there share. I'm glad the authorities are reaching out to a sector of society which hasn't been getting a fair shake, but unfortunately, until someone in politics grows some balls and corrects the criminal code with respect to prostitution related offences, this new attitude will only last until some city/provincial/federal politician wants to make some points with the bigoted religous right wing constituency and it will be back to stings and busts as usual. It's a kneejerk reaction to assume that because all and every form of prostitution isn't completely, totally legal that this means we have bad laws and they should be fixed. Nothing could be more wrong, in fact! Canada actually has some of the best prostitution laws in the world, striking a fair and reasonable balance between the rights of prostitutes and their customers and the community at large. No where in the Criminal Code is it illegal to be or use the services of an adult prostitute. All our laws are carefully crafted to target specific problems presented by (and towards) our industry. Our laws protect prostitutes from exploitation. And the fact that they are in the federal Criminal Code protects us to a large degree from the very thing you describe: some tinpot politician exploiting the stigma surrounding us for some safe political leverage. (Unfortunately, in some areas, they've used municipal bylaws to circumvent the law. If anything needs to be fixed, it's that.) In all except those municipalities that employ bylaws to target prostitution (and which, curiously, seem too have far more serious prostitution-related problems than municipalities that don't take this approach), enforcement is executed with a light hand, acting only when there are problems and legitimate complaints from within the community. Over the years, I've heard a number of suggestions, such as making a "red light district" where streetwalkers can work legally or allowing SPs to work from their homes legally. I honestly believe, we're far better off with the way things are. For one thing, there are always going to be people who push the limits. The current laws keep us honest and mindful of our obligations to keep a low profile in the communities we work in. Sadly, some people seem to need to be reminded of that. Remove that, though, and not only would you have people taking things way past the bounds of responsible behaviour, but you'd have the inevitable oversized blowback from this -- and this would result in zoning laws and bylaws that would be far more Draconian than what we currently must deal with. And again, like you say, there would always be the element of political exploitation. When I was in Alberta, I looked into getting licensed to work in Calgary. I was shocked to learn that I would have to register (and pay) to be both an agency and an independent (at that time anyway -- not sure about now), and there were a bunch of conditions I would have had to meet that would be considered outlandish in Ottawa. The licensing fees, interestingly, were among the highest three for businesses. The other two were for outdoor events (such as open air concerts where there would be a good possibility of noise, traffic and parking complaints, as well as the potential for greater police services involvement) and for home alarm installers (again, another business that costs the city money responding to false alarms). But... why should escorts be placed in such an expensive category? What problems do we cause?? Apparently I was not the only person to ask such a question because Calgary already had an answer to that question all mapped out: because our businesses run afoul of the majority's values and morals. So that makes it okay to gouge us. Sure, I get it. In many cities where bylaws require escorts and agencies to be licensed, there is incessant harassment of them. And yet, street prostitution in these cities is as bad and perhaps even worse than in cities such as Ottawa. If we were to remove the laws from the federal Criminal Code, we'd be opening ourselves up wide for predatory and senseless bylaws. Believe me when I say that we actually have a very good thing going for us here right now. Best thing we can do is appreciate it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickoshadows 937 Report post Posted April 25, 2010 So, why can brothels operate openly in Victoria, but not in Ottawa? Don't even ask about Calgary/Edmonton or Halifax. All are subject to the same criminal code. The difference is enforcement by local authorities which tend to be influenced by local politicians. I use Victoria as an example becasue they have it really good right now, but if the next Mayor is another "Gretchen Brewin", the weekly busts will again be a staple in the daily news. The situation you have described in Alberta is the hippocritical situation that New Zealand found itself in when they decided that their bawdy house laws along with unreasonable licencing practices constituted pimping by the state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swegin 5885 Report post Posted April 25, 2010 rickoshadows, I know you said to not even ask about Halifax, but what is the situation in NS? I'm completely in the dark about the state of affairs here! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
