Incall horror warning

So there I was, bored, and decided to check a site, (CL). There were these adds about a Mandy 'College Cutie', 19 yr old, ' 5'5 weight 110 brown eyes firm body, flawless body tanned form and a six pack and will not rush' She sounded youthful, and was receiving in the Belfast Road area (by the train and close to St Laurent Mall), possibly a sublender in a house. I am saying that much for the safety of the fellow cerbites.

NUMBERS USED: 613 620 4**9 and 613 325 8**1.

So, got there, was offered multiple shots for and hour and two bills, which i gave. She asked me to be quiet as a 'friend' was also sleeping nearby. In a rare mistake, I ignored my habit of leaving if anyone else around. Anyhow, good looking girl, more like 22 yr old, and it all seemed fine for the first 7 min, when I excused myself after the initial deed and went to the washroom. As I got back, maybe the time in the evening, fatigue whatnot, she decided to call it quits (which had never happened to me before) and also gave me $ 40 back for the 8 min 'half an hour' - although I had paid for the one hour. Stunned, knowing i was at a loss, got dressed, and certainly wondered what was happening.

All I know is that, dressed and about to step out of the room, out of nowhere, this half/stoned or half/asleep dude jumped in the room holding some object (possibly knife) and accusing me of 'not respecting his girl' and looking to jump on me. I am still not sure what happened, although he must have been listening and I might have been slow at dressing up and leaving, as I know my politeness and attitude had never been an issue.

Now, guys, this is a situation where you do not want to be. Scammed, lied to, about to be attacked, and in no option to come out on the bottom nor the top. Realised too late why the broken door frame to that bedroom (likely a previous unfortunate client). Can't argue, can't fight, can't win, can't have the cops come pick either up. I managed to get the situation cooled down long enough to delay a fight and take the three steps required to go up the stairs, out the side door and ran away. Total time spent there: 12 min.

The good thing, i wasn't robbed nor left anything as I never walked in that place but with the two bills. The thing I learned is that I can't avoid them all, I usually smell and avoid such things before, and I bail before stepping in. A dozen times I dodged such experiences, this time i got trapped, so it really changed my whole outlook on incalls. Maybe the place was too clean, recently rented, I did not recognise 'get out of here' clues I usually get.

For those interested in knowing how to improve your chances of not experiencing such things, and avoiding scams, I will never post them, but will answer privately to those interested. Also, stick to known, major sites, and the advice of the fellow cerbites.

Would I recommend that Belfast road area visit to young girl? NO! Right no I regard CL posts as 99.99% dangerous scams. Except Heidi, she is nice and posts there.

meteor

I moved this to the dangerous encounters area but left a redirect as well from the original post.

Good to hear the cautionary tales. As an up-and-coming, (or is that just uppity) SP, I soak them all up.

Sad to say, in this world, people have got to be careful. Makes me appreciate this forum all the more.

Very unfortunate to hear you had a bad experience meteor. You can also post this warning and most importantly her phone number where she advertises so she won't be able to scam the other guys from there. Good Luck with that!

man thats some scarey ass shit right there im happy you are okay from that.

Personally I prefer to visit the lady of my choice for the first time at the hotel. It will probably improve your chances of not experiencing such things. CL is well known for that.

I had something like that happened to me last year. I didn't dare to post anything in to board or here cause she was well reviewed there and she always fighted with those who were not happy with her. I didn't want to look like an idiot.

That is scary shit and another reason why I always take heed of recommendations on this forum. Short notice is problematic and I've been in that situation before when you just really want to get laid and you go on a whim....fortunately I've never been in the situation you found yourself in and I don't want to be....thanks for the warning!

This Account Has Been Revoked - Bait And Switch And Affiliated With Someone Who Has Previously Been Banned From Here.

I think that is a bad answer to by honest. The problem with the outcalls is the guys have to pay for a hotel on top of the standard fee. Many guys are afraid to invite a SP to a private home (It could be B&S and they would be scared to send the girl away, it could be a Scam and your bringing someone bad to your house, you could have Family or friends living with you, Neighbors, etc..) so these guys either have to dish out more money for a hotel room or choose another girl who has a incall.

Now from a agency point of view if you have a incall you could be looking at common bawdy house problems and many agencies do not want to risk being made an example of for breaking the law.

By posting a thread like "never know who or what is in the next room" is more of a scare tactic and it may work on new people to the business but the guy's here (99% of them) are active hobbiests and know the risks both ways and I am sure they will see this post the same way I do. (It's in bad taste)

I am not saying you should offer incalls as incalls are illegal (Even a hotel could be considered a incall location if the girl is seeing multiple clients at the same place (or worse) if more then one girl is using the room for calls.

The truth of the matter is agencies do not always offer incalls because of legal reasons (it puts them and the ladies at a higher risk as they could be found guilty of breaking the law). The other reason is it costs money to maintain incalls (Room bills if your using a hotel) and that also poses some problems with high traffic, trashed rooms, etc... (Extra headache's) but trying to make people believe you do not do it because it's not as safe for the guys is a little far fetched - I think the truth would go over much better.

I would also like to ad that most of the problems we have had has been with Outcalls, to be honest.

Sure you have an address and phone number but the ladies have no idea what they are walking into.

Now as far as the Legal aspect goes, for those that think that outcalls are perfectly legal, they are... for the ladies. However if you are running an agency or even just a driver you are still technically "living off the avails" . All the LE needs is to scare a lady into rolling over on to you and you are done like dinner.

The only busts in Ottawa that I have heard about have all come by way of outcalls. The call to a hotel is a set up, they arrest the driver and charge the driver and try to get him/her to turn the agency in.

Yup... I'm incall all the way for all the reasons MOD correctly mentioned earlier. But I do a bit of due diligence before I walk into a new place. Never had a problem (knock on wood!)

Just remember that even with the most respectable.. outcalls, there is a real risk of being extorted for $ and can;t really send the person away. Know why? In many place escorts are LICENSED for... outcall services. Which means they can call the cops and log a complaint, right at your doorsteps.. So beware of the city, Ottawa does not license them, other cities do!

Now, you know where this is going- you will never let the cops come at your place or hotel door, more so when she can prove you called her. So you pay your problem off. It happends here, it happends abroad with people meeting amazing women, only to be asked for thousands of $ days later. And the guys always pay, as the cops will show up, and often may be corrupt themselves. You would not want your passport blocked due to some local debacle...In a high profile case, an RBC executive got caught in a screw adventure with such a classy cocktail bar girl, and when he refused to pay, she simply showed up at his RBC corporate office asking to be paid!!! He got fired, then he sued RBC for wrongful dismissal, and won.

Just be cautious, and check, I dodged potentially worse bullets, and sometimes, we will get hit. Generally, reviews are best.

For example, This Joy in Ottawa girl, recently posted on CL by STEALING profile pics and info from some very well reviewd ladies. How could you tell that she is not Heidi or Monique till face to face?

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The part about the cops and complaints and also the licensed escorts in some cities should be addressed as it's bad info.

1) No mater what city you are in (Licensed or non-licensed) the girls have rights just like anyone and since outcall prostitution is legal in Canada they should not be affraid to call the police if they are assaulted. If the girl feels threatened they can file a complaint against you and have you charged... legally.

The ladies have rights just like any of us and if someone assaults them (Robs them, etc..) they can call the police explain what happened and have you charged without thinking they will go to jail as they are not breaking any laws.

Now unfortunately people have been extorted in the past so inviting them to your home on a first date is not always the brightest thing to do (especailly if you have something to hide right?) so work a hotel room into your budget and do yourself a favor and added piece of mind. (I would think that would be common sense right?)

2) Cities that license "Escorts" do not license them to have sex. This is a common misunderstanding!

The city licenses for escorts are not licenses to be prostitutes, in fact often the license terms say no sexual acts. They are being licensed as dates to escort a client socially. Cities do not want to be looked at as pimps so they will not license prostitution. This license is a city by-law license and not some federal hooker license as some of you seam to think. City by-laws are enforced by city by-law officers (Not police, not rcmp) they sometimes involve the police (often to scare the johns or escorts/sp'd) but they do not give the girl some special advantage to call the police on someone for ripping them off.

Where you guys get some of this information is beyond me?

No one mentioned Licensing = sex, nor assault, so the mod must have misread. This is about bait and switch and scams, where, under the 'license' pretext, as an entertainer or not, they can blackmail someone. It's happened to people, yes in Canada. And there is little one can do if a very unnatractive person shows up at the door, certainly called by the guy, and, as a 'licensed' escort claims her fees for the cancellation., whatever they may be. And, of course, there are unlicensed escorts pretending to be licensed, but that is another story.

Of course, the guy is cancelling because this person turned out different perhaps short, ugly and fat, but this sort of bait and switch happends very frequently, and those who talk about it know because they get out of it frequently, without loss. Just a step ahead.

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No, I did not misread. The license does not give them any special privileges when it comes to calling the police or anything like that!

Again I have no idea where you are getting this information but I would hate to have someone read this and leave being misinformed. Your information is not correct and if someone reads this and believes you then it just causes even more confusion.

The license is a by-law license giving the license holder permission to advertise herself (or himself) under the word "Escort" in that city. It allows the municipality to enforce by-laws on everyone who advertises as a "Escort" that falls under the cities definition and lets them hand out municipal by-law infraction tickets to anyone advertising as a "Escort" that does not hold a license. (Don't get this confused with a criminal conviction - it's a municipal ticket - like a parking ticket so if you don't pay it you don't go to jail but they can send a collection agency after you).

That is all the license is for.

Please don't make stuff up or regurgitate some other nonsense that some other person made up and posted on some other site. Just because you read it somewhere it does not mean it's true and if your just assuming things and making things up to try to pass it off as fact your in the wrong site as I will call you on it as you can damage the industry further by spreading lies and bad information. PM me and let me know where you got this information please if you did not make it up... If it was information you read on another site from a member at that site let me know the URL (web page address or website of the post) and I will make a post on the other site myself so we can stop bad information like this from spreading.

I am sorry I have to call you out on this but we can not have bad information like this posted here on cerb.

hey there,

Sorry to hear about that but then how do you find a nice indy that isn't looking to scam you but that doesn't make this a career?

Ask questions here and look for recommendations!

hey there,

 

Sorry to hear about that but then how do you find a nice indy that isn't looking to scam you but that doesn't make this a career?

I had an outcall one time from an agency in the city. I asked for a specific kind of sp and ended up with a 280 lb NAW who wouldn't leave until I tipped her like 5-6 browns. Suffice it to say I never used that agency again in winnipeg.

I have never had a problem with anyone I have met from these boards or through EC, I try to do incalls as much as possible as well. Once you have one contact in each city that has seen you and can vouch for you, it is very easy to set up a session in that same city with just about any indy girl you want provided they offer the kind of service that you want.

If you read my post on my latest adventure in Thunder Bay it is the other way around, I got led on a merry chase around playing phone tag with an indie sp, and finallly gave up in frustration after parking in a motel parking lot for half an hour waiting for her to show up.

I called an agency, connected with lily and had a great time. For some reason it is the reverse in thunder bay, the agency girls are upfront and the indies are shady, kind of weird that way but whatever works I guess.